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So, one short simple article with just one simply (while not really simple) question:

Should we bail out the banks and save their asses in the hopes they learned their lesson or should we simply let them fail by their own mistakes and hope we can survive this possible financial/nuclear explosion and therefor not putting the burden on the American tax payer or is that last part gonna happen anyways?

I hear many conflicting reports and since I am not very educated in the economy, I am confused.

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on Oct 01, 2008

The "funds" are just the reserves the banks are required to keep by law, not the property of the Fed.

I didn't say it was I said the BANKS ultimately control it, that is why credit is frozen and the fed has to come to the taxpayer for more. You would have realized that if you understood what I meant by saying "The Fed only control monetary policy" But as usual you once again jump the gun only to shoot yourself in the foot.

The government is not there to change yoru frigging diaper. If you are so damn worried, stuff it under your mattress!

Who says im worried? Like I said before I've been playing the downside for a while now. No worries here. But I do know that it is much more constructive when there is an upside to play. But until recently there was no upside, and there are still problems looking for the upside because there is no transparency.

Yea right! AIG MIGHT cost some money, but what it is - is just an investment.

Hopefully but we will see what happens when they reveal what exposure they have to the various derivative markets and what is to be had as they sell off the various pieces of it.They were leveraged 11 to 1. If you look at a good Ins. business you will see 2 to 1 without it being leveraged by hard to understand non liquid assets.

Warren Buffet did with Goldman Sachs - he bailed them out, right?

Buffett did a very diffent thing. He kept them liquid and expects the taxpayer to buy some of their bad assets.

on Oct 01, 2008

And if you dont think they have ultimate control of this money then you are a fool.
But as usual you once again jump the gun only to shoot yourself in the foot.

I think you need to reread what you wrote.  And stop "fool"ing yourself.

Buffett did a very diffent thing. He kept them liquid and expects the taxpayer to buy some of their bad assets.

The only difference is that it is not the government doing it.  It is the same deal.  A smart investment.  So far (and note the tense) that is all AIG is as well, not a bailout.  That has yet to be passed by congress.

on Oct 01, 2008

The only difference is that it is not the government doing it

Theres a huge difference. AIG insures a lot of things INCLUDING mortgage backed securities, It also has a subsidiary that wrote insurance in the form of CDS's which basically insures losses on loans and debt. I believe these policies run to the tune of about 500 billion. This is what the Fed needed to keep solvent. The same goes for Bears Sterns. They are also in the business of selling insurance in the form of CDS's. These CDS are what  banks use to hedge against loan losses.

http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/04/02/credit-default-swaps-a-50-trillion-problem/

This is what the Treasury is trying to keep from unfolding, by getting the mbs's out of the banks and essentially off book while the housing market stabilizes so they can figure out what needs to be done for the long term. 

 

on Oct 02, 2008

Theres a huge difference.

No, as I was not talking about their types of business, only the form of the rescue (neither was a bailout - they both have to get their crap together with the good and the bad).

Both were kept solvent not through a bail out, but by what amounts to a bunch of junk bonds.  That apparently not only wall street, but savvy investors think is worth the risk.

on Oct 02, 2008

Both were kept solvent not through a bail out, but by what amounts to a bunch of junk bonds

Bailout in economics and finance is a term used to describe a situation where a bankrupt or nearly bankrupt entity, such as a corporation or a bank, is given a fresh injection of liquidity, in order to meet its short term obligations. Often bailouts are by governments, or by consortia of investors who demand control over the entity as the price for injecting funds.

DOH

 

 

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on Oct 02, 2008

where a bankrupt or nearly bankrupt entity,

Now prove it.

on Oct 02, 2008

Now prove it.

Why don't you do some research on what was happening to AIG before they were bailed out. Not only will you answer your own question but you just might start to understand what the current bailout plan is all about

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