oh yes, so many people die from not receiving chiropractic treatment... why just last wednesday a man died from cancer that was curable with chiropractic adjustment. (note, at least that is what most chiropracters claim)

Likewise any other doctor can say the same thing. My experience with chiropractors has been simple: You've got a back/neck, et al. problem? We'll do what we can to fix it; if not, we'll refer you to someone who can.

I would have to say that those that you've dealt with, obviously were scammers more than chiropractors. '

~Alderic

Bull... people die all the time from not receiving surgury, from not receiving antibiotics, from not getting a stomach pump or a shot of insulin or any of the REAL medicinal needs.

NOBODY died, ever, nor will they die, of lack of chiropractic care.

The ONLY claim that can be made by chiropracters is "it feels good"... well so is massage and sex and exercise. And those don't excacerbate your condition or claim to cure cancer, so chiro is actually LOWER than those.

I think we're missing each other here. I'm not saying Chiropractors can't fix things, on the contrary, I believe they can fix a fair number of things. I'm just trying to comment on those who are - in fact - frauds.

Many people claim things; certain Chiropractor do that, but so have doctors. Back in the 1800s they said that whiskey would cure things. Or back in the early 1900s doctors actually advertized smokes. The point is that chiropractors are still technically doctors, why do you think it's called naturopathic medicine? They're also licensed and regulated.  In fact, one could argue that because of the stigma, they have to train more so.

Lets say that there's a vertebrae pushing against your spinal cord and your doctor mentions that it will most likely cause major damage. He says that he cannot chance going in and adjust it because of the risk to your life, likewise, he says that if it stays that way, you could have some problems, or worse. Hmm, really, the option would seem to be to go to a chiropractor.

Define a doctor? if putting on a white coat and treating people makes you one than whoopee i am one too.

And LOL at the "have to train harder"... DOCTOR training is hard... I already know WAY more about biology and chemistry and natural sciences than any chiropracter I ever met... they tell me about how good natural things are, I ask if their research on it was before or after people realised that the difference between the R and S enantiomer could affect its operation and that natural compounds are all the same configuration while older artificial compounds are a mixture of both. What do I get? "I have no idea what you are talking about but no, what I meant was vitalism" pathetic.

Although my dad tells me that back in israel chiropracters DID need to have a phd. Maybe thats why i was told how great they are growing up... when it comes down to it, every person I know who went to a chiropracter felt better while getting adjusted, felt worse afterwards, and not a single one of them was ever "cured"

At best its hospice treatment.

Bad doctor or bad situation... many of them would just adjust you, however if the risk IS severe and you DO go to a chiropracter and he adjusts you than it COULD pop it back into place, or it could paralize you. In fact every chiropracter in the states i have seen INSISTED to take X-ray first and say that they refuse to touch patients where it seems "risky"... So if your all the real doctors say you can't, most likely the chiropracter will not do so either (or will and paralize you)...

Also just becuase chiropracters aren't real doctors doesn't mean that everyone with an MD is an excellent doctor. It is called a second opion, heck for many things I get a third and fourth opinion and once even a fifth.

It is POSSIBLE to meet a single chiropracter who is way better as a doctor than a specific MD doctor... but it is highly unlikely.

Perhaps. Like I said, my experience is different.

In some states the training is fairly intensive, though I do concede that becoming a doctor is no easy task.

so basically YOU had a case of a severe misalignment that doctors said was too dangerous to try aligning, you went to a chiropracter who aligned you anyways without regard for danger, and you got lucky and it helped instead of crippling you. congratulations, but you getting lucky during a case of malpractice does not make them real doctors.

I was just saying that my experience with them has been different, hence my inclination toward them, versus against them.

~Alderic

your experience was that they have doctorate degress? your experience is that they know more about medicine than real doctors? your experience that they have to study harder than a real doctor?

Contrary to liberal propaganda, my opinions are not "my experiences". It is possible to have real facts and real objectivity. You keep on saying "experiences" in order to avoid answering any of the facts involved. You personally said that they have to study harder than M.D... It is a fact that they do NOT. Not an objective experience tainted by your prejedices and bloodline and culture, a FACT.

No, I've provided support for that - which is not my experience. I've provided the experience as a way to show my stance on the issue in question.

I'll address the rest later.