The World Thru My Eyes - I speak my mind and man does it like to talk.
This title is not meant to insult or offend, simply a question, please read whole article.
Published on June 28, 2007 By CharlesCS In Politics
Stupid - slow of mind, given to unintelligent decisions or acts, acting in an unintelligent or careless manner, lacking intelligence or reason

(Just in case someone had any doubts as to what does stupid mean)

Let’s face it folks, we all know that every time we say the words “illegal immigrants” or illegal aliens” we’re really talking about Mexicans. While it’s obvious that these terms mean anyone not citizen of any particular nation that they are residing in, last I saw in one of the recent protest done by illegal immigrants and legal immigrants the Mexican flag waved and waved and waved but funny that I did not see any Chinese flags, Brazilian flags, Australian flags, etc. Sure, chances are there might have been one here or there but that’s my point, I did not see them, probably due to the overwhelming amount of Mexican flags carried. Not to mention that this protest happen on US soil and not a single American flag was used in the protest.

Anyways, here’s the real point of my article. Are Mexicans stupid people? Why would I ask such a thing? Simple. I’ve been following somewhat the illegal immigration issue (or problem) that has this country up in arms and about to burst a blood vessel. There are so many excuses made to excuse the reason why there are currently 12 million plus illegals in this country, and thousands more crossing every day. My favorite one, however, is the one where it is said that illegal aliens, mostly Mexicans, are taking jobs that Americans refuse or chose not to do. Why, I ask. Why do they not want to do these jobs? I heard an answer to this question on TV, because Americans are reaching much higher levels of education and are seeking less menial jobs.

Menial - appropriate to a servant, lacking interest or dignity.

Menial jobs, jobs that would put you in a servant like class, jobs that rich people look down at, jobs that can be productive and decent but are considered as something slave related. Only people with very little education or some really bad, bad luck would be the ones doing these jobs, basically because they usually do not require any school education to accomplish the job. In other words you could be stupid and probably still qualify to get a one of these menial jobs.

This is where I start to wonder, so if these jobs are for people with very little or no education and the Average American does not want to do them because they refuse to be known as of lower class, uneducated, a servant or some kind of slave (we all know slavery is illegal in this country but I hope you get my point), are we trying to say that illegal immigrants such as Mexicans that it is claimed are the ones taking these jobs of lower class, uneducated, servants and possible even slaves? In other words, since they don’t seem to see it, are they stupid? If I were Mexican I would probably be very offended by now. To be seen as someone stupid, only good enough to do menial jobs, the only ones who are willing to site under a blazing sun pasting burning tar onto a roof, all while not having any kind of insurance in case of injury or sickness that can derive from these kinds of jobs (Disclaimer - it is known that not all illegal immigrants work only menial jobs, that much higher positions have been known to be occupied by some illegal immigrants so please stop the crying here). Would I not try to show that we are more than just a bunch of freeloaders, lazy, menial job working criminals? Would I not try to become more than what I am? Would I not try to show that I did not intend to do anyone harm? That’s what I would do, but then I would have tried my best to avoid becoming a criminal from day one by crossing the border illegally. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan where people are fleeing to neighboring countries to avoid losing their lives in these wars, to survive cause it seems to be the only choice they have. And chances are if and when the wars are over and it is safe to return they will all most likely return because that is where home is and they are willing to rebuild and make a new, better life for themselves, not run away, abandon and betray their own country and people just because it’s a little easier over here.

I am sorry to say that these are not the kind of people I want adding to our culture. We, as Americans, are not perfect in any way, we have our own share of stupid people, criminals and money hungry politicians. That does not mean we should just let people in simply because they need money but are unwilling to fight to better their own country. That is just my opinion.

None the less I am curious to know what you guys and gals think. Are we really calling illegal immigrants stupid people? Is this not just another form of slavery except this time instead of forcing them it is necessity that is forcing them and we are taking advantage of it. Besides if this bill does pass and we due make all these illegal immigrants legal, who’s to say they will not take advantage of this countries education and eventually become just like those Americans who today refuse to do the menial jobs they are currently doing? How do we know if their children will do the menial jobs as well? And if this generation of menial workers eventually reaches old age and start dying out how do we replace them in the future? Do we let more illegals in and then make them legal’s in 24 hours and start the whole process all over again? When will this vicious cycle ever end? So many questions, not enough answers. What do you think?

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on Jun 28, 2007
I think the ones waving the Mexican flags today, were burning American flags yesterday.  In other words, not the people that will be impacted by the legislation that is pending.  Most of those that really want a chance, are taking it, not demonstrating.  The ones demonstrating are those children of the ones that took the chance, suceeded, so their children have the opportunity the parents were not born with, and the time to make fools of themselves (and dupes of the clowns in Washington).
on Jun 28, 2007
Sounds kinda like the kids with the "bong hits for Jesus" sign.
on Jun 28, 2007
To add to what Whip said, by importing all these menial slow thinkers the Democrats hope to change the face of politics forever. The democrats feel they will have at least an 9 to 1 advantage in votes from Illegal Immigrants that they are fighting so hard to make legal and the Immigrants allowed to enter to mow lawns and do other menial labor.
on Jun 28, 2007
Thanks guys, I knew I was not losing my mind here. Funny to think I saw this without even reading what LW posted. Thanks LW, for reinforcing my point on this article. And we thought slavery was gone, all it did was mutate.
on Jun 28, 2007
Darn double post
on Jun 28, 2007
interesting article...the only problem is that many of these people who take menial jobs here have some skills. but they can't get hired in their country and they can't get hired here in the field that they have skills. but the menial job here pays more than some of the skilled jobs (if they could get them) there.

i've met quite a few foreign cab drivers with degrees, some of them advanced. same with bellhops, valets, and all sorts of "menial" jobs.

but like i said, interesting read none the less.
on Jun 28, 2007

i've met quite a few foreign cab drivers with degrees, some of them advanced. same with bellhops, valets, and all sorts of "menial" jobs.

While not menial, I met a Russian with a PHD in Nuclear Physics, applying for an SA job several years back (I was working a Job Fair).  Still, it would appear that being a Systems Analyst was a far cry from what his main training was in.

on Jun 28, 2007
interesting article...the only problem is that many of these people who take menial jobs here have some skills. but they can't get hired in their country and they can't get hired here in the field that they have skills. but the menial job here pays more than some of the skilled jobs (if they could get them) there.

i've met quite a few foreign cab drivers with degrees, some of them advanced. same with bellhops, valets, and all sorts of "menial" jobs.

but like i said, interesting read none the less.


I know what you mean. There are many of them who could probably do jobs better than some Americans who currently have them. Hell I know my fair share of lazy tards around here who have gotten too confy with their jobs and do just enough while one of these illegals could probably do 3 times as much, and probably for less pay. But it's sad to think that our own Gov't and some people in this country see them as nothing more than stupid people who can't do anymore than what most are doing at this moment.

I am curious though, is it some kind of hobby of yours to go around asking cab drivers if they have degrees or not?
on Jun 28, 2007
Sean

BTW, thanks.
on Jun 28, 2007
I am curious though, is it some kind of hobby of yours to go around asking cab drivers if they have degrees or not?


lol...i tend to be "chatty" and such when i travel. i like to be friendly with the driver or the staff or whomever. i've met many fascinating people in my travels as well as locally.

and you'd be surprised how often a little friendliness and genuine interest in someone can get you extra special service. i tip well too, but that doesnt't happen till after the transaction usually.

and you are welcome.
on Jun 28, 2007
Wow, I was featured?
on Jun 28, 2007
I am curious though, is it some kind of hobby of yours to go around asking cab drivers if they have degrees or not?


lol...i tend to be "chatty" and such when i travel. i like to be friendly with the driver or the staff or whomever. i've met many fascinating people in my travels as well as locally.

and you'd be surprised how often a little friendliness and genuine interest in someone can get you extra special service. i tip well too, but that doesnt't happen till after the transaction usually.


I know what you mean, I practice friendliness as often as possible. Better to have a driver laughing with you while taking the shorter route than an angry or neutral driver trying to take the longest route possible to get the most out of you.
on Jun 28, 2007
I know what you mean, I practice friendliness as often as possible. Better to have a driver laughing with you while taking the shorter route than an angry or neutral driver trying to take the longest route possible to get the most out of you.


and ya find people out there love to open up and tell ya all about themselves if you give them the right opening. and i've heard some great stories over the years.

i guess i could be like some around me and act all snooty to feed my own ego and such, but i prefer being nice...at least in real life, lol. i have friends and family who actually seem to enjoy treating people like garbage when they do things to serve them. i, on the other hand, am grateful for the service. and someone has to really F-up to get a bad tip from me, which is always accompanied by an explanation. and when i say bad service, i mean attitude, not speed. i can understand when a place is jammin having to wait a while for things. what gets "my panties in a bundle" is when a place isn't busy and the service is horrible and unfriendly.

of course, that might be hard to see of me when all you know of me are political arguments from the other side of the fence, so to speak...where people are intentionally (sometimes) trying to "push buttons" and topics are often ones where things can get heated due to passion and all.

on Jun 28, 2007
First off, I Despise your title.

And not too take anything away from your accomplishment, but it ticked me off to see this in big, bold font on the homepage. It is so general. My grandfather was born in Mexico...my ancestors were Mexican. I know some pretty intelligent Mexican people. It's only normal for me to get offended. Anyway...had to get that off my chest, if you don't mind.

You know what I wish? I wish the unstable, corrupt Mexican government would do a better job at giving their people educational opportunities, especially the poor and rural. From what I know (and correct me if I'm wrong), school there is mandatory only up to 8th grade. Their version of high schools rarely exist in rural areas. Not enough money is spent on resources there. Not only that, but post high school education there is not very widespread (1/5 of these educational institutions are in Mexico City).

Having those situations, it's not surprising that they would choose to do laborious and menial work rather than focus on schooling. And it's not surprising that they would rather have their children go to school here than there.

It is really sad, too, because I see the capabilities some of these young people have. Some of the most respectful and appreciative students I have come across have been Mexican. If they would just have the opportunities to do so, they could make something out of themselves in their country.

The best education a student can probably get in Mexico is a private one, which the poor obviously cannot afford. The gap between rich and poor there is ridiculous. I see it with my own eyes living here on the border. You have the rich Mexican families coming over here to shop every weekend, dropping huge amounts of money in one shopping excursion...then on the other hand, you have people trying to desperately cross a river.


Explosive changes need to happen there. As long as things remain the same, you will continue to see this influx of Mexican people try to find their way into the land of opportunity.

on Jun 28, 2007
I am with Rose. Think of how you would feel if we titled an article "Are Puerto Ricans stupid people?", Charles. I don't think you would appreciate that. My dad was Mexican American (a citizen). I don't think Mexican's are stupid. I don't think they have the same educational opportunities in Mexico that we take for granted in the U.S. I think most illegal immigrants have a 8th or 9th grade education. It seems that their system is set up that only the more well off receive a higher education. This is something that they should try to improve, absolutely.

The ones that come here may be doing menial jobs but they are improving their standard of living compared to what their living was in Mexico. I don't think that is stupid. If you want to have more opportunity, you go to where the opportunity is. Most of their children will receive a higher education than they have and become more successful as has been true for the majority of immigrant groups.

Would I not try to show that we are more than just a bunch of freeloaders, lazy, menial job working criminals?


I have to take exception to this. I have never met a lazy illegal immigrant. They work harder than most of us have ever dreamed of working.
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