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Published on January 16, 2008 By CharlesCS In Current Events
While I’m sure reckless motorcycle drivers are in abundance all across the US, Florida legislators decided it was time to make the existing punishments harsher.

Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera, R-Miami, sponsor of the bill Offenses Committed While Operating a Motorcycle (HB 137), believes that harsher punishment for reckless motorcycle drivers could be the solution to the problem or bike riders who fly thru Florida roads and highways sometimes exceeding the speed limit by 50 or more MPH and/or doing things such as popping wheelies, standing on their bikes and crossing between several cars at these speeds.

Now, I have to agree parts of this bill may be a tad bit to extreme. Not only will the offenders pay hefty fines and possible lose their bikes; they could also lose their licenses for up to 10 years. 10 Years? Isn’t that a bit excessive? 2 years sounds long enough, especially to someone who is passionate about bike riding.

Here’s my beef with the offenders and this bill. I think harsher punishments should be added. Taking the bike away from someone doing 120 MPH in a 70 MPH zone, disregarding every car on the road, driving between cars, over the lines, that could change lanes at the moment they are passing them, putting not only their lives but the lives of everyone on the road in danger and pretty much disrupting everyone’s daily lives sounds like a pretty good punishment to me. People like this should not be driving motorcycles at all, but it’s the US and life punishment for people being stupid is not always to answer to everything. Education, to me, is the key to solving many of this country’s current problems. And while we may not have much success with teaching today’s adults, we can at least start with our youth.

I myself have been witness of what a person on a bike is capable of doing simply because they feel they can get away with it. Think about it, what cop car will give chase to a vehicle that can hit speeds of 120 MPH in just a few seconds, can slide between 2 side by side cars and can even fit thru small spaces and unusual terrain where cop cars can not follow. Even a bike cop runs the risk of killing himself and hurting other drivers trying to pursue a bike rider who decides to run. None the less, just because the idea of stopping these offenders seems almost impossible does not mean we should let it happen. There are states where police officers are not allowed to continue of pursuit of a suspect if the pursuit exceeds certain speeds yet they don’t simply let them go. They use things such as helicopters, cops that are in the areas where the suspect is passing and road blocks to stop and capture the suspect. So should we simply give up on dangerous bike rider simply cause they have the ability to out run the police in many situations?

There is, however, one thing that is bugging me the most. The average bike rider that claims this bill to be a discrimination against bike riders. They feel that people who drive cars are more dangerous that bike riders, that because cars are bigger that they can create more damage. Not so sure how they can compare a bike to a car, I don’t exactly hear a lot of stories of cars driving 50 miles above the speed limit while driving between 2 cars, popping wheelies and other stunts for fun. Usually someone driving at those speeds, zig zagging thru traffic is running from the cops already. What I don’t understand is why are they defending those who make the average bike rider look like they are all dangerous drivers? Why are those who drive bikes within the law not happy that those reckless drivers could be getting what they deserve instead they shoot down the law for personal fear? Why fear a law that does not apply to you? If you don’t drive recklessly and don’t exceed speeds limits by 50 MPH, why are you afraid of this law? Are you admitting that bike drivers are all reckless and therefore this law should not be passed?

Honestly, anyone driving any vehicle at 50 above the speed limit should have their vehicle taken. But there is no denying that biker riders are some of the most dangerous cause it’s easier to get away with breaking these laws due to the abilities I mentioned above and with no external protection, except for what they wear, bike riders are 100% likely to be injured and possibly lose their lives while breaking these laws. Granted, an idiot in a car (10 times more dangerous that a bike) driving recklessly is worse than a bike, but they either drunk, running from the police and in some occasions drag racing. Not necessarily the same as a bike rider who if drunk could probably not even keep the bike standing for too long, if running from the police was most likely already speeding or driving recklessly and racing seems to be what drives most of those who buy motorcycles like Ninjas, Katanas (spelling?) and Hondas

But I wanna hear what you people have to say. What do you think would be a better punishment for those driving bikes 50 over the speed limit and doing stunts on the roads, sometimes being filmed by someone? How can we make this bill possible and bikers agree to it?

Here are some statistics I found on accidents with motorcycles compared to cars:

1 | Do motorcyclists have high crash death rates?
Yes. Per mile traveled in 2004, the number of deaths on motorcycles was about 34 times the number in cars.1 Motorcycles are less stable than cars during emergency braking situations and are less visible on the road. Some motorcycles have high performance capabilities that can encourage riders to speed, accelerate quickly, or engage in other risky driving maneuvers. When motorcyclists crash, they lack the protection of an enclosed vehicle so they're more likely to be injured or killed.
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2 | What are the most common types of motorcycle crashes?
Crashes involving a motorcycle and another vehicle accounted for half of all motorcycle fatal crashes in 2005. In 2-vehicle fatal crashes, 78 percent of the motorcycles involved were struck in the front and only 6 percent were hit in the rear. Thirty-eight percent of these crashes involved a vehicle turning left while the motorcycle was going straight, passing, or overtaking the vehicle. Crashing into a fixed object is a bigger problem on a motorcycle than it is for other motor vehicles. In 2005, 26 percent of motorcycles involved in fatal crashes collided with fixed objects, compared with 17 percent of cars in fatal crashes.2

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Comments
on Jan 16, 2008
It's rediculous legislation.  It's also redundant.  Florida already has laws against wreckless driving & wreckless endangerment, they don't need new laws that cover the same crimes.
on Jan 16, 2008
Actually, I believe this is to add to current existing laws, to add harsher punishments.
on Jan 16, 2008

To add harsher punishments my foot, it is an unconstitutional targeting of motorcyclists.  Done by bigots who hit motorcyclists because they "didn't see them".

Wreckless driving and wreckless endangerment is the same whether it was done on a bike, car, pickup, SUV or Jed Clampett's jalopy truck.  It's as stupid as targeting cel phone users when "innattentive driving" laws are already sufficient.

on Jan 16, 2008
Wow, I think this is the first time we don't agree on something. Yes, this does seem to single out motorcycle drivers but from experience, motorcycle drivers do a great job at singling themselves out. More often than not bike riders like to slide between cars at a red light to reach the front of the line, the like to squeeze between 2 cars on separate lanes when there is barely enough space. Because of their size and ability to move around faster they tend to dodge in and out of traffic, especially during rush hour, without any regard for other cars around them who may be looking to change lanes as well. I'm sorry, but from experience the average bike rider tends to be very selfish when it comes to sharing the road with the rest of the vehicles on it.

Again, I admit that people who drive cars are not exactly angels when on the road, but on average I can spot people pulling stupid moves while driving which helps me prevent accidents with them and I just don't come across drivers in cars flying at 20 or 30 miles above the speed limit zooming between 2 cars and (obviously) popping wheelies and stuff.

I myself had one just a couple of weeks ago where he was popping wheelies at a red light and kept looking around to make sure there were no cops around. For 20 minutes of my commute home this guy kept popping wheelies in the middle of traffic, I eventually took a turn thru a different road just to avoid the idiot.
on Jan 16, 2008
BTW, I lost a brother to a motorcycle accident. I loved him and all but he did not respect the bike and paid the price.
on Jan 16, 2008
I'm with you on this one, Charles. Unconstitutional my eye.
on Jan 16, 2008

don’t exactly hear a lot of stories of cars driving 50 miles above the speed limit while driving between 2 cars, popping wheelies and other stunts for fun.

Dont watch many James bond movies, do you?

on Jan 16, 2008
Sorry for the Double post
on Jan 16, 2008
Dont watch many James bond movies, do you?


Well, there is always the exception.
on Jan 16, 2008
Wow, I think this is the first time we don't agree on something. Yes, this does seem to single out motorcycle drivers but from experience, motorcycle drivers do a great job at singling themselves out. More often than not bike riders like to slide between cars at a red light to reach the front of the line, the like to squeeze between 2 cars on separate lanes when there is barely enough space. Because of their size and ability to move around faster they tend to dodge in and out of traffic, especially during rush hour, without any regard for other cars around them who may be looking to change lanes as well. I'm sorry, but from experience the average bike rider tends to be very selfish when it comes to sharing the road with the rest of the vehicles on it.


And what part of any of those examples would already fall under "wreckless driving" or "wreckless endangerment"... there are even laws already on the books against "Exhibition driving".

Enforce the laws on the books, use the penalties already in place. Until the law is willing to do both, useless "lawmakers" will continue to make useless laws that serve no purpose other than harrassment and targeting.

Yeah, we were going to have to disgree sometime ;~D
on Jan 16, 2008
Enforce the laws on the books, use the penalties already in place. Until the law is willing to do both, useless "lawmakers" will continue to make useless laws that serve no purpose other than harrassment and targeting.


I can agree with you here. We don't do enough to enforce current existing laws on just about anything that goes on in this country. The irony is that punishing people for committing crimes tends to cost more money than the fines they charge. As I stated in another article, I believe education is the key to success in lowering crime rates in all categories. In a society where people will won't fear punishment cause every kind of punishment is considered cruel and unusual punishment and there will always be someone to fight for them, there can never be low crime rates of any kind.

This is one of those situations where we can't have our cake and eat it too. We can not be a free society and have laws that take freedoms away at the same time. As long as people don't care for one another, this is what we can expect to see on a daily basis for the rest of this nations existence, a new law to replace the one no one cared to enforce in the force place.
on Jan 17, 2008
We need a law that makes all fines go to restitution, then charity. No town should give out fines because it needs money. Blech.

The thing is, we have a law on the books for pretty much everything that's bad - they're just not enforced. Instead of working on tougher enforcement of the laws, they just make the sentence higher for those who are caught. They don't catch anymore than they did, and therefore don't actually reduce the problem at all.

The only way to reduce the problem is policing the roads better, and without stealing bikes we won't have the funds to do that.