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While I, personally, would never send someone to MSNBC.com, I received an email today where MSNBC.com has a Live Vote currently that asked the following question:

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from newsvine.com where you can comment about the Live Vote

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So what do you think? Should it be removed or is this argument stupid as some on the newsvine.com site say?

Should the motto "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency?"

I figured one visit to this particular artticle of the site would not hurt much and instead could yield some interesting results. I recommend you try it just to see what people have voted so far.

Then I recommend you check out a link at the bottom


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on Apr 14, 2009

Let me clarify this post before I state my opinion.  I am an agnostic, and while I don't disbelieve in God, I don't pray or go to church.  (At least, anymore.)

That being said, I think that "In God We Trust" needs to be left alone.  It doesn't say Jesus, it doesn't Mother Nature, it doesn't Allah, or Buddha, or Zeus, or Lamborghini, or any other variation of person, place, or thing, that someone could consider their own personal god.

My god may not be your god, and vice-versa.

The kind of people that want this removed are the most base kinds of people, in my opinion, because they lack the ability to think outside of the box.  To them, everything is taken literally, and that can be dangerous in any sense.

 

on Apr 14, 2009

The kind of people that want this removed are the most base kinds of people, in my opinion, because they lack the ability to think outside of the box. To them, everything is taken literally, and that can be dangerous in any sense.

That's usually what I think as well. I don't see how these words could affect anyone in anyways except if they allow it to. It's just words, very general ones. I mean some people even hold singers and TV actors as Gods (if you know what I mean) so this is a very generalized word. Not to mention what it would cost to replace every bill out there. The idea alone is ludicris and ignorant.

on Apr 14, 2009

Not to mention what it would cost to replace every bill out there. The idea alone is ludicris and ignorant.

I think that the solution to that, were it to happen, is to just have the new bills/coins come out lacking the term, versus literally replacing the currently circulating currency

on Apr 14, 2009

That being said, I think that "In God We Trust" needs to be left alone. It doesn't say Jesus, it doesn't Mother Nature, it doesn't Allah, or Buddha, or Zeus, or Lamborghini, or any other variation of person, place, or thing, that someone could consider their own personal god.
My god may not be your god, and vice-versa.

What if you don't trust in any god whatsoever?  You're implying that everyone believes in something.  It's also very clearly Christian.  It doesn't say "In a god" it says "God" with a capital G.  Only Christians say/write that in English.  Jews usually don't spell out the name of God...so you'd get G-d instead. 

As for the issue at hand...I don't give a damn what's on the money as long as I can buy things with it.  It can be Satan sodomizing a moose and I'd still put it in my wallet. 

~Zoo

on Apr 14, 2009

To be fair, I'll admit my leaninsg: I'm agnostic, leaning toward the likelyhood that there is no God like being.

That being said, the phrase was brought about only because of the increased religious sentiment during the Civil War, against better judgement in my opinion. Then during the goold ol' communist scare during the 50's, it became law. he very concept of it being our national motto, is a joke, it makes me sick. A motto is supposed to stand for what our country is, and I'm sorry but not everyone trusts in God. I would love to see us go back to E Plurubus Unum, "Out of many, one."

That's really what we stand for, it's what we are.

 

~Alderic

on Apr 14, 2009

What if you don't trust in any god whatsoever? You're implying that everyone believes in something. It's also very clearly Christian. It doesn't say "In a god" it says "God" with a capital G. Only Christians say/write that in English. Jews usually don't spell out the name of God...so you'd get G-d instead.

As for the issue at hand...I don't give a damn what's on the money as long as I can buy things with it. It can be Satan sodomizing a moose and I'd still put it in my wallet.

 

Those are some good point Zoo. I had planned on editing my comment ot say that, but you beat me to it.

 

~Alderic

on Apr 14, 2009

Not to mention what it would cost to replace every bill out there. The idea alone is ludicris and ignorant.

Probably about the same as it does when they come up with new artwork for the bills like they've been doing recently.  You just print the new ones and dispose of the old ones..you phase in new bills.

~Zoo

on Apr 14, 2009

This is taking it literally.  And even if there are people that don't believe in anything, they usually believe in themselves.  If they had any imagination, they could regard it as a trust in themselves.

To take offense at something like this is like taking offense because someone's neighbor has a garden gnome in their front yard.  Sure, it may be obnoxious in their mind, but trying to force their neighbors to remove it so that they don't feel offended reaches the "petty" level, and any sympathy I may have turns into "grow up and get over it".

We are all too easily offended.

"God" can literally be anything any one person wants it to be.

on Apr 14, 2009

What if you don't trust in any god whatsoever? You're implying that everyone believes in something. It's also very clearly Christian. It doesn't say "In a god" it says "God" with a capital G. Only Christians say/write that in English. Jews usually don't spell out the name of God...so you'd get G-d instead.

For some reason it didn't add the quote.

That's what I was responding to.

on Apr 14, 2009

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This is taking it literally.  And even if there are people that don't believe in anything, they usually believe in themselves.  If they had any imagination, they could regard it as a trust in themselves.

To take offense at something like this is like taking offense because someone's neighbor has a garden gnome in their front yard.  Sure, it may be obnoxious in their mind, but trying to force their neighbors to remove it so that they don't feel offended reaches the "petty" level, and any sympathy I may have turns into "grow up and get over it".

We are all too easily offended.

"God" can literally be anything any one person wants it to be.

 

That may be, but the intentions when it was first used during the Civil War, and when it was made law during the mess known as McCarthyism leaves no doubt as to what God it means. It is pretty much saying that we as a nation, and/or as a government trust in God. That's just not true, and that, in my opinion, is too damn close to favoring a specific religion.

I've got nothing against the religious; I just disagree with them a lot, and find their concepts to be a joke. I would really prefer to not be announced to the world as something I'm not; I don't have trust in God. I also don't really care for a government that may have been founded by religious people, but was intended to be separated from religion - to be usurped for a religion. Our government is supposed to be secular, keep it that way.

 

~Alderic.

on Apr 14, 2009

I think it should stay. And I think newer dollar notes should claim a belief in all Hindu gods, witches, and smurfs until all religions have been propagated by the currency except the Jedi myth. I hate the Jedis and want my government to discriminate against them on the basis of their religion.

 

 

on Apr 14, 2009

I think it should stay. And I think newer dollar notes should claim a belief in all Hindu gods, witches, and smurfs until all religions have been propagated by the currency except the Jedi myth. I hate the Jedis and want my government to discriminate against them on the basis of their religion.

 

Hey now, the Jedi have it right. LOL

on Apr 14, 2009

Our government is supposed to be secular, keep it that way.

While I agree with this, it's not logical.  Laws are based on morality, and the majority of our morals come from either religion directly, or are otherwise indirectly influenced by them.  Laws about marriage, percentage of alcohol in beverages that can be sold in stores, etc. aren't laws that are based upon common sense, (for example, murder, or rape), they are based on the morals of the lawmakers/voters.

Religion and politics mixing is a messy thing to begin to argue, but how can you have a completely secular country, when the majority of the country allines themself with a religion, and doesn't see why their morals can't be accepted by everyone.  Yes, this is the perfect arguement for secularism, however it isn't logical that a religious people would have a secular country. 

That may be, but the intentions when it was first used during the Civil War, and when it was made law during the mess known as McCarthyism leaves no doubt as to what God it means. It is pretty much saying that we as a nation, and/or as a government trust in God. That's just not true, and that, in my opinion, is too damn close to favoring a specific religion.

Would the average American know this?  No.  People want it, or dont' want it, because to them it screams "religion."  This is exactly what I mean... a lack of ability to think out of the box. 

This is representitive of our history, McCarthyism, and all. 

 

on Apr 14, 2009

 

This is taking it literally. And even if there are people that don't believe in anything, they usually believe in themselves. If they had any imagination, they could regard it as a trust in themselves.

I honestly don't think there's anything metaphorical about it.  It was based upon Christian ideals and that's what we're stuck with.  I don't see how anyone should have to conjur up some other meaning using their imagination.  Dollars are measurements of currency, not philosophical debates on the nature of God.

To take offense at something like this is like taking offense because someone's neighbor has a garden gnome in their front yard. Sure, it may be obnoxious in their mind, but trying to force their neighbors to remove it so that they don't feel offended reaches the "petty" level, and any sympathy I may have turns into "grow up and get over it".

I'm not sure that's an accurate portrayal.  Your neighbor has a piece of crap in his yard, it's not suggested that you trust in the gnome because your government believes that gnomes have a vested interest in our wellbeing.

We are all too easily offended.
 

I'm not, personally.  I have a horrible sense of humor sometimes.  As far as society is concerned, I'd say you're right.  People get offended over things that don't really matter...I think it's because they're bored and like attention. 

~Zoo

on Apr 14, 2009

Would the average American know this? No. People want it, or dont' want it, because to them it screams "religion." This is exactly what I mean... a lack of ability to think out of the box.

This is representitive of our history, McCarthyism, and all.

The average American? It would depend on how educated they are, as well as how intelligent they are. If they're not educated well, or don't have the capacity to understand it - then no. I feel that most are both, but there are those who choose to ignore such things.

 

While I agree with this, it's not logical. Laws are based on morality, and the majority of our morals come from either religion directly, or are otherwise indirectly influenced by them. Laws about marriage, percentage of alcohol in beverages that can be sold in stores, etc. aren't laws that are based upon common sense, (for example, murder, or rape), they are based on the morals of the lawmakers/voters.

 

Perhaps...but morals, marriage, et al.  are not exclusively a religious thing. They can be and are secular. A society or culture can come up with a set of morals (or code of conduct) without the religious pretext. So, morals are not exclusive to Christianity, or Judaism. To say that our law system is set up due to Christianity, is...well, not quite accurate. You can reasonably come to a conclusion that certain things should be law, without religion; I do. Do you come to conclusions on what is right and wrong from a religion?

 

Religion and politics mixing is a messy thing to begin to argue, but how can you have a completely secular country, when the majority of the country allines themself with a religion, and doesn't see why their morals can't be accepted by everyone. Yes, this is the perfect arguement for secularism, however it isn't logical that a religious people would have a secular country.

Not a secular country, but a secular government. The secular government was designed that way as to, in the end, uphold its citizens religious and other liberties/rights. If you have a Christian government, then that would be a bit of a damper for other religions.

Actually, more and more people are not calling themself religous. So, to a point, our so called Christian nation is getting less so. Additionally, back during the colonial era, most people were Deist, not theist. (Or so the stats said in my term paper during the winter term)

 

~Alderic

 

 

 

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