our government was never supposed to be secular.  Where in the world did you get that from?  Have you not been to DC and seen all the scripture plasted all over the monuments and government buildings?  It's only a matter of time before that gets etched away as well. 

The Christians came here to get away from religious persecution and start a new world based on Christian priniciples and there's not one piece of evidence to the contrary.  I've got a library filled with evidence and words that back this up even from the most non-religious of our founders like Ben Franklin and Jefferson. 

I don't think it really matters anymore to be honest.  The secularization of America is in full swing anyhow.  What's a few words on our money going to mean? 

Doesn't matter one way or the other sad to say. 

One day we're going to realize as a nation what we've done, and it's going to be a very very sad day indeed and too late to turn back. 

The writing on monuments do not mean that we're Christian. Tell me, if we were meant to have a Christian/religious government, then tell me...please, why do we have the freedom of/from religion/first amendment? Maybe it was just a typographical mistake in the Constitution. Oops, guess we'd better fix that. It would be reasonable to assume that because of that, our government was intended to not endorse any religion.

The fact that the majority of people in the country are christian is irrelevent to our government, and to how our nation is governed, or lack thereof.

~Alderic

it's freedom of religion....not freedom from.  Big difference. 

wellllllll.......what does it mean then?  Enlighten me. 

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/04/14/christian_nation/index1.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html

Yes it is, it is implied. Just as you have the right to practice your religion, I have the right to not practice any religion. 

Here it is in ful:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion(1), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof(2); or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

1 - It implies pretty darn well that any law that respects any religion - is unconstitutional. To me, that also implies that any official claim of a religion is the same.

2 - It states the right to free excersize of any religion, which logically would imply the right to not practice.

I could easily put "All hail Satan," on any piece of art I do. Does that mean that I'm a Satanist? No. It means that I put it there because, say, i felt like it.

I had a nice post all written up, and then JU kept giving me error messages, and erased it.  I had responses for both Zoo and Alderic. 

Let's see if this one is deleted.

Okay, so I can't seem to actually post if there are quotes involved, for some reason.

Zoo, my point about the yard trolls was that taking offense at these kinds of things is petty.

Alderic, the majority of America has morals influenced by religion.  You and I may not, but we are in the minority, for the time being.

Also, in regards to the part about a secular government being neccessary for the protection of rights, etc:  A democratic government is supposed to be representitive of it's citizens.  If voters want the money taken off, so be it.  But if presented today, the movement would probably not go through. 

That being said, I do agree that a secular government would be best, however it is not an easy thing to implement when neither side (ultra-religious, and ultra-non-religious), respects the other. 

Want the term taken off the money.*

"Oops, guess we better fix that."

Actually, since everything is taken so literally, it probably should be changed.

Yeah, I had some problems with JU as well; those damn dirty apes! LOL

How so?

~Alderic

I vote to keep the words "In God we trust" on our currency.

But really, who is surprised that this question popped up on MSNBC given that during Holy Week, it was all abuzz over Obama's statement to the Turkish press that "we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation".  And just prior to this Newsweek ran an article entitled,  "The End of Christian America" .

I don't know who the "we" is that Obama was referring to....I personally found it quite offensive.  And so didn't Rabbi Yehuda Levin, the Special Emissary to Israel for The Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the U.S. and Canada and The Rabbinical Alliance of America,

"With the greatest respect for the office of the presidency, many of us are both frightened and befuddled by this combo of bowing to the waist to the king of Saudi Arabia, and then declaring that this is not a Christian nation,"

Give me your cash.

Hell no, I need to keep what I have! Capitalist!

~Alderic

It spends the same with or without the words.

BTW it was taken off the twenty dollar gold piece in 1907 and half of 1908. The people wanted it back, and got their way, it was restored in 1908. If just for historical continuity alone, it should remain.