What's so ironic is that McCain was demonized by the Obama campaign for proposing to tax health care benefits during the election.  Obama said he would not do so.  Now Obama wants to do just that.

Why would they want to leave if they are "more equal?"  (In reference to Animal Farm, in which some animals were more equal than others, therefore receiving more benefits/rations, etc.)

The only equality at stake seems to be how "equally" the monies you earn are redistributed among those that don't earn or earn less. Why work harder to pull up those that can't or won't pull themselves up? Do you feel socialism equalizes people? Maybe the masses, but there will always be someone better than equal. Some people that are considered wealthy still will not fit into this privileged class. They will be the ones that leave, in order to spare the fruits of their labor from the never ending flock of crows waiting to pick it clean.

 Wow Nitro... that's three times now you have attempted to twist what I have said.  Way to attempt to paint me as a supporter of socialism... 

That was exactly my point, thus the "more equal" than others comment.  Which, again, is in reference to the book Animal Farm.  If you still aren't comprehending that, I suggest you go read the book.  I do not support socialism for America.  Is that clear enough for you?

Not my intent at all, sorry if you took it that way.

The book Animal farm is more less an allegory of Socialism and makes a case against it.  I believe that this is what Tears was trying to present this case using the example of the pigs in the story.  It seems to me that both of you are essentially on the same page but saying it very different ways?

Possible. 

And here lies the problem with this country. Adventure-Dude reached the determination that both S&JT and Nitro were speaking the same thing yet instead of taking the fight to the Gov't, they fight amongst each other which is basically the Gov'ts goal. Kinda funny how Bush was accused of dividing the nation yet Obama seems to be incapable of uniting it as he promised he would.

Two thoughts: first his idea of unification is through a socialist like system, which continues to polarize.  Second, how can anyone expect one man to unify an entire country? 

It wont be the government that unifies, it will be the people that commit to unity despite the government, and the talking heads.

Wouldn't say it was a "fight" so much as a misunderstanding... he presented his comments seemingly as arguments to what I was saying, though what he argued was parrallel to what I had said.  Perhaps it was my comprehension of his comments, or his comprehension of mine, either way, wouldn't say it was a "fight."

As for taking misunderstandings to the government... the government as it is right now seems to encourage those misunderstandings with propaganda about the other side, instead of seeking to clear them up.

On the contrary, we can, but we won't and don't.

heh, while everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else - whether it be the politicians or people doing it -  the simple thing is, we're the ones that got ourselves here.

Unless we can put aside our differences, democrat or republican (or independent, green, etc.) - then we will fall. That's the biggest problem; most people don't shut their ideologically brainwashed traps to just think, and listen.

Example: You've got atheists on one side, and theists on the other - you think either group truly listens? No, they're just yapping their mouths off, pushing their agendas and stoking fires. Next, you've got Republcians versus Democrats - both are primarily idiotic, and yet we vote them in.The list goes on and on and on.

So, who's the idiot? Who do we truly blame for ruining our country? Granted, the politicians and others have just as much blame, but we're the ones that are at the root of it all.  We're the ones that ultimately have the tools, the means...to stop it. Do we?

Nope, just ask the millions of Obama supporters. Insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results. Yup, we're certifiably insane.

How's that for a dose of cynicism?

/rant

~Alderic

This is what I think is happening from my POV. 

On this board, or in general?

I'm refering to the last few exchanges between you and Nitro.  It seems to me that you two are essentially on the same plane and same direction just parallel from each other (to use your graphical expression).

It was hardly a fight. S&JT was referencing a book I haven't read, and I was amplifying the situation as I see it. My questions were rhetorical, sorry for any misunderstandings.

Thank you for the clarification.