The World Thru My Eyes - I speak my mind and man does it like to talk.

I own 2 games I bought thru the Steam client, Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and Battlefield Bad Company 2. While I have not dedicated much time to Bad Company 2 at this time, it’s a shame it will be the last game I ever buy on Steam. Not necessarily because of Bad Company 2, to be honest, it’s not necessarily because of Modern Warfare 2 either although it is in part.

Last night (like almost every other night) I was playing with my Clan friends online. We have been playing Modern Warfare 2 for quite some time now, it’s the game of choices at the moment. Here’s the thing about Modern Warfare 2, it’s the game you hate to love and love to hate. Had it not been for the lack of dedicated servers, the useless and horribly designed IWNet and the can’t_catch_a_hacker_to_save_its_life_if_it_had_one VAC system, Modern Warfare 2 could have been one of the best Call Of Duty’s to date. I like the game itself, all the new perks, the killstreak rewards, the new maps. The game is actually fun. Until you get kicked from the server.

When ever I play the other Call Of Duty games, the only waiting time I get is the time it takes to load the next map or if I’m on a modded server first the first time I have to download several files and maps. But normally I go from map to map with the same people with only Punkbuster to be dumb enough to kick me. Basically, playing on dedicated servers can be seamless most of the time and hackers are usually dealt with pretty quickly and usually permanently.

Modern Warfare 2? I spend more time in the game lobby some days than I do in games. The most common connection errors? “Unable to migrate host”, “server disconnected”, and my favorite “Steam disconnected”, all of them happen during game play. There are times when we try to enter a game 3 to 4 times before we finally start a game. Not to mention when ever we go in as a group, someone always gets kicked during the process of entering games forcing us to back up to pick them up and try again. Combine all of this with the enormous amount of hackers on Modern Warfare 2 (can hardly find a server that doesn’t have one) and while I can’t stay away from the game because the game itself is fun, when it works, I wish I could just delete it and shove it up Infinity Wards ass.

The next Call Of Duty version is coming in November, called Black Ops, it’s being created by Treyarch. Although Treyarch does not have a great reputation when it comes to Call Of Duty (World At War was not exactly that great though was fun most of the time) with the exception of the Zombie mode in World At War which was an interesting addition to the game, we hope they take advantage of Infinity Wards complete disregard for PC gamers and give us a game that could rival Modern Warfare 2. Of course odds are they’re more likely to throw a rehashed version of World At War to us but we can still hope for the best. We already know it will have dedicated servers so that’s a plus for me. Lets just hope it’s not as dull as Battlefield Bad Company 2.

Steam will only remain on my PC because of the fact that it’s the only way for me to play Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2 but otherwise, never again will I buy from Steam as I am tired of not being able to play my games just because Steam decides to AWOL on me from time to time.

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on May 28, 2010

Punk Buster is the worst piece of crap ever added to a game.

I play BF-BC2 on Moongamers which is an excellent community and pretty good at catching and banning cheaters and glitchers. Also an active Teamspeak3 channel MOONTS.sytes.net

on May 28, 2010

Isn't that 90% MW2's fault, and not Steam though?  You sometimes get Steam disconnects too of course, but it seems most of the issues are due to the lack of dedicated servers.

And anti-cheating programs are hilarious.  Any sort of cheat is going to be written to work around the most common anti-cheat programs, making it as useless as most DRM schemes and Windows Defender.

on May 28, 2010

Punkbuster is a miserable failure.

 

As for MW2 server problems, that's IWs fault, not Steam, giving you things like "Host Migration" and "Server Disconnected" issues. The only time Steam is the issue is when you get the "Steam Disconnected" problem. Which, unless you have some sort of serious Steam malfunction, is a moderately uncommon occurrence.

 

You can play BF:BC2 AND MW2 over Direct2Drive, EA Online Store, GamersGate (I think? I don't remember) and a couple places in the UK as well. It's not your only choice. I think your foisting a bit much on Steams end here.

 

(Though admittedly, in the last month or so, Steams disconnect issues had gotten troublesome. They seem, seem, to be clearing up. Remains to be seen.)

on May 28, 2010

Funny how Steam gets blamed when the reason for his problems are other issues.

on May 28, 2010

Punk Buster is the worst piece of crap ever added to a game.

Agreed, having moderators in the servers who can kick people is much better. Ban them for life as far as I'm concerned.

I play BF-BC2 on Moongamers which is an excellent community and pretty good at catching and banning cheaters and glitchers. Also an active Teamspeak3 channel MOONTS.sytes.net

Gonna check that out. Sounds interesting.

Isn't that 90% MW2's fault, and not Steam though?

Yes most of the problems are IWNet related. Either it doesn't know how to pick a proper host or it can't even set up a game properly without kicking half the people getting in.

You sometimes get Steam disconnects too of course, but it seems most of the issues are due to the lack of dedicated servers.

Yea, but the fact that the game is liked to Steam in full is what makes it worse, I can't even play the game without Steam. When ever Steam decides to go bonkers MW2 pays the price.

And anti-cheating programs are hilarious. Any sort of cheat is going to be written to work around the most common anti-cheat programs, making it as useless as most DRM schemes and Windows Defender.

Exactly. Most people avoided MW2 because of the amount of hackers yet ironically every game they played had hackers as well. That's why I like dedicated servers where a moderator can be present or called upon and quickly boot them.

As for MW2 server problems, that's IWs fault, not Steam, giving you things like "Host Migration" and "Server Disconnected" issues. The only time Steam is the issue is when you get the "Steam Disconnected" problem. Which, unless you have some sort of serious Steam malfunction, is a moderately uncommon occurrence.

Not too moderate for me. While I get 3 times more issues from host migration or server timed out errors, I get Steam disconnection errors quite often. Too many in the past week alone to be honest.

You can play BF:BC2 AND MW2 over Direct2Drive, EA Online Store, GamersGate (I think? I don't remember) and a couple places in the UK as well. It's not your only choice. I think your foisting a bit much on Steams end here.

MW2? I thought this was exclusive to Steam. I have not tried D2D yet but now you got me curious.

(Though admittedly, in the last month or so, Steams disconnect issues had gotten troublesome. They seem, seem, to be clearing up. Remains to be seen.)

I had never seen it as bad as this week. I have actually gotten frustrated over the Steam disconnected error.

on May 28, 2010

I think you might have a more specific problem, Charles, with Steam. I haven't D/Ced from Steam in a week or so, so I'm due for one. But the last time I had a major one (more than 10/15 minutes) was during the Altitude week.

 

And, I was wrong on MW2, sorry about that. They aren't selling it because it does require Steam. Which is annoying, to say the least. I know BF:BC2 is sold elsewhere at least.

on May 28, 2010

Most knew what IW was doing to the PC version of the game before it came out. Buying it just supports them on it. Now the reward for is the described problems and telling IW "Yes, bend me over some more on the next one, I'll buy anything.". The game could be the most fun game you've ever played, but it isn't worth a Superman 64 with the issues described above being the norm.

on May 28, 2010

Orvidos

And, I was wrong on MW2, sorry about that. They aren't selling it because it does require Steam. Which is annoying, to say the least. I know BF:BC2 is sold elsewhere at least.

And since it requires Steam, is built around Steam, I don't see a problem with the OP giving some blame to Steam. Like DethAdder said, IW came out and pretty much gave a middle finger to their PC customers. It was unfortunate those customers opened up their wallets anyway.

on May 28, 2010

Nesrie

And since it requires Steam, is built around Steam, I don't see a problem with the OP giving some blame to Steam. Like DethAdder said, IW came out and pretty much gave a middle finger to their PC customers. It was unfortunate those customers opened up their wallets anyway.

 

Don't get me wrong. Steam is entirely part of the problem, especially if he's having that many disconnects. I'm simply saying the not all of the onus should be placed on Steam. A fair bit of it, though, certainly.

on May 28, 2010

Orvidos

Don't get me wrong. Steam is entirely part of the problem, especially if he's having that many disconnects. I'm simply saying the not all of the onus should be placed on Steam. A fair bit of it, though, certainly.

I would have to agree with you. There is plenty of blame to spread around.

For games built around Steamworks, it's difficult to separate the two so I think it's perfectly fair to drop the blame in both their laps, well all three really, Valve/Activision/IW. I've not heard great things about MW2 for the PC in general so as far as I am concerned, it reflects badly on all three of them. The Stimulus Map thing is just the last two though but not a part of the OP'd issue.

on May 28, 2010

Shouldn't EVERY game be having these issues then, if the problem is Steam?  It was known before release that MW2 wasn't going to be PC friendly...but Steam gets the blame? 

 

I haven't played them in awhile, but I played BFBC2 & L4D without any problems (once the first day server crashes got fixed, which again I don't believe was due to Steam). 

 

I just don't get the "it's built around Steam, so it's Steams problem" argument.  You bought a game from a company that considers the PC platform bottom tier - put the blame where it belongs. 

on May 28, 2010

KickACrip


I just don't get the "it's built around Steam, so it's Steams problem" argument.  You bought a game from a company that considers the PC platform bottom tier - put the blame where it belongs. 

Perhaps you missed the part where Steamworks is involved. It's part of the game. It's built in, which means its not just built around steam... it is Steam. They get part of the blame. Valve just has to live with that and so do you.

on May 28, 2010

KickACrip

I just don't get the "it's built around Steam, so it's Steams problem" argument.  You bought a game from a company that considers the PC platform bottom tier - put the blame where it belongs. 

 

See, if he weren't disconnected from Steam so frequently, I'd agree with you.

 

But! Like all games with Steamworks;

 

Game With Steamworks;

If Steamworks = Down - No Multiplayer Functionality

If Steamworks = Up - Multiplayer Functionality (It's been a long time since any sort of math class, and I suck at it. I apologize.)

 

If your game requires Steamworks, it requires Steamworks to be functioning. Otherwise you are ker-fucked. End of story.

 

So yes, the decision to make it Steamworks only? IW/Activision (Though after the IW kerfuffle, I'm willing to say more Activision)

 

Not being able to play because Steamworks is offline? Valve.

on May 28, 2010

Nesrie

Quoting KickACrip, reply 11

I just don't get the "it's built around Steam, so it's Steams problem" argument.  You bought a game from a company that considers the PC platform bottom tier - put the blame where it belongs. 

Perhaps you missed the part where Steamworks is involved. It's part of the game. It's built in, which means its not just built around steam... it is Steam. They get the part of the blame. Valve just has to live with that and so do you.

 

My point is - EVERY game that uses Steamworks would be crashing then and having numerous multiplayer problems, if the problem was Steamworks.  Sounds more like the problem is lazy developer who isn't too involved with their game - oh wait, we knew this was the case before MW2 was released.  

 

Oriv - What game are you talking about, and when was the last time it was down?  The only reply I have is - you guys seems to be getting much more disconnects that I did.  Like I said, I haven't played a multiplayer game in a few weeks, but a d/c wasn't something regularly that happened to me.  Try Steam customer service if you need to, when I used them in the past they were very good.

on May 28, 2010

I don't know if any other game crashes since I only play MW2 on Steam. I have yet to dedicate enough time on BF:BC2 to see if it has issues although not being able to connect the first week it came out was enough to kill the "new game" buzz I had when I got it.

I blame Steam because of the "steam disconnected" error I have gotten quite a few times. Keep in mind I usually play with my Clan friends so there are usually 8 to 9 of us playing at one time and most of us get this msg at the same time.

IWNet is crap, plain and simple. This was the worst idea anyone could have come up with. I bought the game because while not having dedicated servers, I figured we could deal with not having them and just play. I never figured host migrations, server timeouts, bad host picking and Steam disconnects would be so often and so bad. You will never know if you like something till you try it. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and now I have learned. It's not a total loss as the game is still good just a pain to get into a server. I'll have to live with it for now.

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