The World Thru My Eyes - I speak my mind and man does it like to talk.
At least not according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
Published on June 12, 2007 By CharlesCS In Democrat
Well, this is the first time I have seen where there was a bill in the Gov’t that did not pass yet the end result was somehow still achieved. Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, made a comment on the news where he called the illegal immigrants “undocumented Americans”. Wow, now they are Americans? Undocumented? How does that work? How can you be a citizen (cause being called an American on American soil means you are a citizen right?) of the US, within the US borders and be undocumented? Is that like losing your license, birth certificate and social security card all at the same time? Oh, so many questions and not enough answers. Someone please explain to me how is this possible. Cause I am just at a lost.
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on Jun 13, 2007
"No, they do not have to "earn" it. Except one way. Obeying the laws of the nation they want to become citizens in. After all, the ones you describe - when caught, are put in jail for their crimes."


Yeah, but they are still "Americans". By virtue of what? Hard work? Devotion to American ideals? Patriotism? Nope, just because they happened to be born here. I'm just saying that if we want to portray to the world that the title "American" requires the kind of standard we impose upon immigrants, maybe we should start reassessing the citizenship of these wastes of flesh that kill children and commit heinous crimes against us.

The gist of this blog seems to be that these people, even if they have been here for 20 years and worked hard and not broken the law, don't deserve to be associated with the title "American" because they haven't done the appropriate paperwork. If we are going to start looking at what that standard means, look at what we require of ourselves. I can contribute nothing to the country, and commit the most horrendous crimes imaginable and still be favored with a title we want to say other people pave to earn, regardless of their benefit to us.

Odd kind of logic.
on Jun 13, 2007

I say we round em up and use em for target practice, dress em in Terrorist outfits put them in mock up middle eastern villages and have our recruits get real time training, killing them.. solves the immigration problem, trains our military. Damn I am a genius!!


Damn, you beat me to it.
on Jun 13, 2007
"American" denotes nothing more than the nation of which one is a citizen and is in no way a qualitative term. Some of the comments here claiming otherwise are about as moronic as they come.

"British", "Indian", "Pakistani" etc. mean nothing more than nationality. If a person isn't a legal citizen they're not a legal citizen. Period.
on Jun 13, 2007
""American" denotes nothing more than the nation of which one is a citizen and is in no way a qualitative term."


Wow. Good bureaucratic answer for this particular discussion. On the other hand, when people are asked the question, or people write about what being an American means to them you come up with a LOT of different answers. Funny how sometimes it is chocked full of high minded ideals, and the next it is nothing but a technical title.
on Jun 13, 2007
It is nothing more than definition of legal nationality despite what other connotations people care to assign to it.
on Jun 13, 2007
So when people call each other unamerican, they are questioning the other person's citizenship status?
on Jun 13, 2007
So when people call each other unamerican, they are questioning the other person's citizenship status?


That's great. Next time rightwinger labels me unamerican because I don't subscribe to his backwards logic, I'll just e-mail him a copy of my Birth Certificate, proof positive that, despite his hate-filled rhetoric, I am, in fact, 100% American.
on Jun 13, 2007
Transcript of the third Republican presidential debate. Evidently "American" just doesn't mean citizen of the United States to many people besides Mason.

"QUESTION: With regards to illegal and legal immigration, in your opinion, what does it mean to be an American? What are the tangible and intangible attributes of an American?

VAUGHN: Congressman Tancredo?

TANCREDO: It means, number one, cut from the past. If you come here as an immigrant, great, welcome. If you come here legally, welcome. It means you've cut your ties with the past, familial, especially political ties with the country from which you came.

But let's be serious about this, you guys. We can talk about all the immigration reform we want and what it's got to get down to is this: Are we ready for a time-out? Are we actually ready to say, enough is enough, we have to stop all legal immigration except for people coming into this country as family members, immediate family members, and/or refugees.

Are we willing to actually say that and say, enough is -- we have got to actually begin the process of assimilating people who have come in this great wave of immigration.

The process of assimilation is not going on. And how long -- how long will it take us -- for us to catch up with the millions of people who have come here, both legally and illegally, and assimilate them? I'll tell you this: It will take this long: Until we no longer have to press one for English and two for any other language.

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: I promised, Governor Huckabee, you'd have a chance to weigh in on this immigration issue. Do you agree with Congressman Tancredo that the U.S. should effectively end most legal immigration into the country?

HUCKABEE: No, I disagree with that.

I think that there are a number of people that we should welcome into this country; certainly engineers and doctors and scientists that we may need legally coming here.

What we need to do is to have a border that is sealed and the same kind of process that we have to go through if we go into a stadium: We go in one at a time and we have a ticket.

That's the only thing I think Americans really are asking us for, is a sane, sensible system that's based on the idea that if you come here, that you come here through the same process that we would be expected to go through if we went to another country, which is not happening today.

BLITZER: Mayor Giuliani, are you comfortable with what Congressman Tancredo says about immigration to this country?

GIULIANI: No. I'm very uncomfortable with it. I mean, the reality is, it's one thing to be debating illegal immigration. It's a very complex subject. I think we've had a very good debate about it. And I think the bill needs to be fixed in the way that I've indicated.

But we shouldn't be having a debate about legal immigration.

Abraham Lincoln defined what an American is better than I'm going to be able to do it or Congressman Tancredo or anyone on this stage. Abraham Lincoln, who fought the Know-Nothing movement, said, "Being an American is not whether you came over on the Mayflower or you came here yesterday.

"How much do you believe in freedom? How much do you believe in freedom of religion? How much do you believe in freedom for women? How much do you believe in the right to vote? How much do you believe in the rule of law?

"The person who believes in that the most is the best American. And the person who doesn't isn't an American."

BLITZER: Thank you.

GIULIANI: And that's Abraham Lincoln's words.

We should always be open to legal immigration. It reforms us. It makes us better. It brings us people who want to make a better live for themselves...

BLITZER: Thank you.

GIULIANI: ... and their families. If we lose that, we lose the genius that has made America what it is.

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: I'm going to go back to Jennifer in a second, but I want Senator McCain to respond as well.

When you hear what Congressman Tancredo says, what goes through your mind?

MCCAIN: It's beyond my realm of thinking.

Look, America is a land of opportunity. The question was just asked, what is it to be an American? It's to share a common goal that all of us -- a principle -- are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights.

That means we go as far as our ambition will take us. That means we have a better life for ourselves and our children. And the lady that holds her lamp beside the golden door is still the ideal and the dream.

Of course it has to be legal. Of course that it has to be regulated. And 18 months, by the way, will go by while we fix the border before we do anything else on this issue.

But America is still the land of opportunity, and it is a beacon of hope and liberty and, as Ronald Reagan said, a shining city on the hill.

BLITZER: Thank you.

MCCAIN: And we're not going to erect barriers and fences.

BLITZER: Thank you, Senator."
on Jun 13, 2007

So when people call each other unamerican, they are questioning the other person's citizenship status?



Sure, why not?

re #41, Thankfully I don't base my opinions on a bunch of political rhetoric.
on Jun 13, 2007
That's unamerican, MasonM. Show me your papers.
on Jun 13, 2007
Papers are unamerican.
on Jun 13, 2007
So, what makes you American is inherently unamerican.
on Jun 13, 2007
No, what make me inherently unamerican is quite American.
on Jun 14, 2007
Then screw it, lets just all deport ourselves to Mexico.
on Jun 14, 2007
I can contribute nothing to the country, and commit the most horrendous crimes imaginable and still be favored with a title we want to say other people pave to earn, regardless of their benefit to us.

Odd kind of logic.


No one ever said it was logical (and actually you are mixing your logic). There are rules to being an American. Rules made by man. Man who is inherrantly flawed, and thus the rules are flawed. As is life, since life is not perfect.

What gives the right of Paris to be called a Hilton and to revel in the largess of long dead people? Rules. Rules that may not be right or just or fair, but rules.

That is what decides who is an American. And it is flawed and not perfect. But show me anything devised by man that is perfect and fair and just.

Rule number 1: life is not fair. Rule number 2: Refer to rule number 1.
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