From what I understand this document is not the original but a duplicate (legal duplicate) and people still have doubts. But these doubts would probably not exist if he did not try so hard to keep the original document hidden. Tell me Cikomyr, what good reason would he have to be so persistent about hiding the document? What harm would it cause to show it? Makes no sense to me, perhaps you have a good reason, and I don't mean "because he wants to" reasoning.

I am not insisting, this article is not about me being persistent over this birth certificate debate but about Arizona trying to pass a bill requiring Presidential candidates to provide a birth certificate. How ever I can't ignore that Obama and his people are trying really hard to keep that document public and I don't see any legit reason why?

Let me ask you, what if the document he refuses to show tells a different story? What if Obama ran under a lie? Not everyone is saying he is although some believe he is lying. But I believe this kind of issue should be resolved and only Obama can do that by simply showing the original which I have yet to figure out why he refuses. I just can't find any good reason except he just doesn't want to and if so then just say it and that would be good enough for me.

Pshaw!  You do not need a BC to get around in the US.  A passport is sufficient!  Which is good for me since my BC has a different name on it than does my passport (and all other legal documents I have).\

The stupid thing is I got my Passport before I was told I was legally adopted, yet it has my adopted name on it (I came to find out later I was never adopted, so technically, my legal name is my BC name).

Good to see Just John posting!  How are the babies? (toddlers now I guess).

One other point to be made - for the benefit of Cikomyr and others.

At this point I really do not care if Obama is or is not legal.  He is president.  But I applaud Arizona and hope other states follow suit so that there will never again be the controversy we have today, period! 

I don't care about Obama's birth certificate. I would like to see his college transcripts. The media tells us how "intelligent" he is (as compared to Bush being a moron), so why not flaunt his genius for the world to see? I'm a bit anxious to see what kind of education my affirmative action tax dollars bought anyway.

I have no problem with Arizona asking for proof before being placed on a ballot. Perhaps flaps such as this one can be avoided in the future. It might be a good step for all states to make.

Cikomyr - I'm not a regular around here anymore but if memory serves me ... you aren't a US citizen - right?

It is important to question government. It is important to question them at every move, rule or ruling. Without and adequate check system, we might as well roll over and take it up the ass because we are bound to get screwed.

Politicians in America serve their own special interests no mater wich side of the isle they sit on. They are ready to sell out to the highest bidder in the event they need to get things done.

We the people are left to keep them in check. Since we don't get to vote for them daily, we have to make our vioces heard. Even if that means you are questioning the right of someone to serve as POTUS.

He is Canadian. From Quebec I believe.

Doc - they are hardly babies anymore. They are almost 3.5 yrs old. CRAZY!

I have recently joined the ranks of the mentally insane. I started coaching them and 11 others in T-ball.

That explains a lot - I love Canadians but I have never met a bigger bunch of ass holes than folks from Quebec.

And the mindless insults begin. Keep going, you'll soon join those who say I get a hard thinking about american soldiers getting killed.

You don't know me, you don't know my people. You don't know the least thing about our history.

I think Basmas made a good case as to why the president, at that point, shouldn't cave in to those demand. You always claim he is a weak president, well he's going to be even weakier if he ever yield to the Birthers, even if there isn't any more doubt afterwhile.  But you know that even if he procure the original, there will be still people denying it's a true one.

You seen this on the Bush years. Some people just thrive on protest and denial.

Also, there is many reason as to why the original hasn't been procured. The most obvious reason is that the original might have been destroyed. Obama moved a lot during his youth, and a fire, flood, or simply lost luggage might have meant the lost of the original, with only legal duplicates being able to be provided.

I'd say I know more than the average person about your history. Afterall, your history is same as my ansestors.

I have visited Canada, met hundreds of Canadians and shared quite a few beers with some of them. For the most part, they have been some of the finest folks I have ever encountered.

I stand by my asumption that the people of Quebec don't share the same flair for life that you find in other parts of the country. I haven't met one of them I liked and I haven't met very many Canadians that like you either.

I do think you should move to the US though. The liberal class is always looking for a few more clowns.

Oh but there is, it will eliminate this issue once and for all. The way I see it I would actually show it in their faces saying "na, na, na, na, na, naaaa".

Giving in? How is this giving in? Wouldn't it be more like doing what the public wants? After all he did say he is doing what the American people want. You have yet to give a good enough reason for him to keep it private except for "because I said so" reasons.

And refusing makes him look like he has something to hide. I think this is worse. It's not about giving in Basmas, it's about pleasing the people who just want to be sure. Even if some of them will never be satisfied you can at least move on knowing you shut them up.

The cons may hurt more. Obama has already proven he is just another politician and that nothing about this Administration is anything other than "politics as usual". If he really wants to stand out as the President of Change, then he needs to move away from doing what every other politican does and take his chances. What does he really have to lose why showing the darn thing? In the end it doesn't matter. Even if he made it public today the damage has already been done, I don't trust him at all at this point. He's just another politician, nothing changed about him.

That is what I agree with as well. Let's avoid such issues in the future but tacling the problem today.

Couldnt have said it better myself. It's not about Republicans or Democrats, it's about protecting our Nation and what makes it the Nation it is.

While I try to avoid getting to the point of name calling and stuff sometimes you can get under peoples skins here when you continue to bash and/or ignore what this country was built on. Especially when your opinions don't really affect you since you don't like here anyways. I don't mind your points of view from an outsider but just like I don't go around pointing out how idiotic something in Canada is because it doesn't affect me in any way except when someone here wants to implement something from Canada that I don't agree with, you can't expect people to just sit here and have their country and their beliefs insulted without saying something about it.

Hey!  They are not driving yet.  You still have several years of sanity left in you!

I have to agree with that statement.  The whole thing could have been cut off at the pass if Obama had produced it at the beginning, but now that the conspiracy is out there, nothing is going to convince some. 

That is why I say let it go.  But yes, let's get behind the Arizona law.  Even Obama cannot be against that as it is post facto so will not affect him.