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It looks like Arizona is on a role as they recently passed the Arizona Immigration Enforcement Bill that gives local police authority to enforce immigration laws but also are in the works to pass a bill that will force President Obama and future Presidential candidates to provide a birth certificate in order to "appear on the ballot in Arizona". Link

So, if they do manage to get this passed, will we finally put this debate to rest? It's a shame considering Obama ran under the impression that his Administration would be a transparent one yet we still have not been able to prove if he was born here?

To be fair I have to ask, how is it that we have not been able to do this all this time? How was Obama able to get the jobs he has without a birth certificate? For that matter how was he able to run for President? I mean, he may be able to keep his birth certificate from being exposed to the public but I doubt he can keep it from the Gov't while trying to become a Senator or a President. I just don't see how he could have become President while not being born here, otherwise if he did manage to get away with it I would be very disappointed with this Nation.

I don't mind this bill being passed just to put this debate to rest already and to avoid future problems.

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on Apr 22, 2010

Is that the one that looks like the Staples Easy button?

Nope this one, LINK

 

on Apr 22, 2010

I have to agree with that statement. The whole thing could have been cut off at the pass if Obama had produced it at the beginning, but now that the conspiracy is out there, nothing is going to convince some.

This is what McCain had done and it shuuuushed his critics in a heart beat. 

on Apr 22, 2010

Giving in? How is this giving in? Wouldn't it be more like doing what the public wants? After all he did say he is doing what the American people want. You have yet to give a good enough reason for him to keep it private except for "because I said so" reasons.

Except that isn't what "the public" wants. This is what his political ennemies want. I haven't seen any massive public movement demanding to see his birth certificate.

I mean, the Birthers are marginal in size compared even to the Tea Partiers.

While I try to avoid getting to the point of name calling and stuff sometimes you can get under peoples skins here when you continue to bash and/or ignore what this country was built on.

Please tell me where I ignore or bash what this country was built on?

I have a lot of admiration for many of the structure in the USA, I personnally think your democratic system is one of the greatest in the world, specially compared to Canada's. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the one I am living under. Your political climate isn't great recently, but so hasn't been ours.

you can't expect people to just sit here and have their country and their beliefs insulted without saying something about it.

Again, where have I insulted your country? I might nit-pick at some occasional points, but it's not like I say the USA are ze wurst thing evarrrr. Just that it ain't perfect, but then, what is?

What I resented is the insult on my people based on some bad stereotypes. John doesn't have the least idea why he'd have had a bad reception in Quebec (most english-speaker never figure it out), and it's not like talking to English-Canadians is a good take on my nation. It's like asking Frenchmen what they think of Belgians (or English what they think of Wales).

But then, have I said that "Americans are fat lazy dumbasses, and most people I know think the same"? Judging all of you based on the times I spent in the USA? Nah. 'Cause, you know, when I went to the USA, I actually tried speaking your language and appreciating your culture as it was. I hardly see an american tourist doing the same when coming to my land. I did not walked into a restaurant and spoke in french, expecting to be served.

But speaking in english first in our land is like if I walked into a general store of Memphis and EXPECTED to be served in Spanish, 'cause I am a tourist. People in the USA might be genuinely worried about loosing the language war against spanish-speaker, and they might be defensive about it. Well, it just happens we are defensive about our own language, and we'd like people to respect that part of our culture. Difference is, we are about a few hundred million less french-speakers than english-speakers in North-America.

The thing I say to all my immigrant friends, when they tell me people in Qc City are racist 'cause they got a bad welcome was: "Did you tried speaking to them in french?". They always answer the same: no.

If you merely try a little french, people over here will be more than happy to switch to english and thank you for your good manners. Because in our land, showing respect to our language is good manner.

on Apr 22, 2010

Oucb. my last post kinda went out of hand.

Oh well. I guess it's the kind of thing I'd like people to understand a little more about my land. So if you ever visit Quebec, you'll have a much pleasant stay.

on Apr 22, 2010

I don't go around pointing out how idiotic something in Canada is because it doesn't affect me in any way except when someone here wants to implement something from Canada that I don't agree with

But that's the thing. Things happening in the USA are affecting Canada in a way that things happening in the Canada doesn't affect the USA.

When you sneeze, we catch a cold. (well, less so recently, as we are the #1 country that got out of the recession! ). But still, we are incredibly influenced by many decisions taken in the USA.

Ever heard of the softwood lumber agreement? What might be for you a minor trade disagreement was for us something affecting a large part of our economy and nearly bankrupted it all. Simply because of an unilateral violation of the NAFTA by the USA.

edit: But you can strike up any thread about Canada if you'd like, and I'd be more than happy to accept your views on the topic, as long as you seem to know what you talk about. Maybe Seal Hunting? or how about Separation of Quebec?

on Apr 23, 2010

Except that isn't what "the public" wants. This is what his political ennemies want. I haven't seen any massive public movement demanding to see his birth certificate.

Interesting, so this issue you defend with "isn't what the public wants" yet time and again it has proven the public did not want this recent Healthcare bill and you were in favor of it. Kinda funny how you change your mind about a situation when it suits you.

So tell me Cikomyr, when should the Gov't do what the public wants?

I mean, the Birthers are marginal in size compared even to the Tea Partiers.

Does the amount of people matter? Last I cheaked they were Americans and size of the group does not make them less important. This Administration has proven that the minority (in any issue) are the ones who will be getting what they want, how come now they are ignored? You need to understand one thing about me Cukomyr, I notice these small details. I notice when someone like you thinks the Obama Administration does not need to listen to people when they are the minority yet don't mind they don't listen when they are the majority; I notice when you think the Obama Administration is being transparent yet you don't mind when they are not when they should be. I pay attention to these things and don't mind reminding people when they try to have their cake and eat it too.

Please tell me where I ignore or bash what this country was built on?

Everytime you agree with an issue that goes against the Constitution (which you tend to do) is ignoring what this country was built on.

I have a lot of admiration for many of the structure in the USA, I personnally think your democratic system is one of the greatest in the world, specially compared to Canada's. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the one I am living under. Your political climate isn't great recently, but so hasn't been ours.

That's a very strange opinion considering most of your opinions tend to want to change this country in a way it will go against what this country was built on.

Again, where have I insulted your country? I might nit-pick at some occasional points, but it's not like I say the USA are ze wurst thing evarrrr. Just that it ain't perfect, but then, what is?

Don't forget harshly criticizing the people of this country for fighting for what they believe in can also be considered insulting. Tea Partiers have been bashed in many ways such as brainwashing their kids.

on Apr 23, 2010

What I resented is the insult on my people based on some bad stereotypes. John doesn't have the least idea why he'd have had a bad reception in Quebec (most english-speaker never figure it out), and it's not like talking to English-Canadians is a good take on my nation. It's like asking Frenchmen what they think of Belgians (or English what they think of Wales). But then, have I said that "Americans are fat lazy dumbasses, and most people I know think the same"? Judging all of you based on the times I spent in the USA? Nah. 'Cause, you know, when I went to the USA, I actually tried speaking your language and appreciating your culture as it was. I hardly see an american tourist doing the same when coming to my land. I did not walked into a restaurant and spoke in french, expecting to be served. But speaking in english first in our land is like if I walked into a general store of Memphis and EXPECTED to be served in Spanish, 'cause I am a tourist. People in the USA might be genuinely worried about loosing the language war against spanish-speaker, and they might be defensive about it. Well, it just happens we are defensive about our own language, and we'd like people to respect that part of our culture. Difference is, we are about a few hundred million less french-speakers than english-speakers in North-America. The thing I say to all my immigrant friends, when they tell me people in Qc City are racist 'cause they got a bad welcome was: "Did you tried speaking to them in french?". They always answer the same: no. If you merely try a little french, people over here will be more than happy to switch to english and thank you for your good manners. Because in our land, showing respect to our language is good manner.

Personally I don't know much about Quebec to have an opinion. I am not sure why anyone says anything bad about Quebec but one thing I can say based on your comment. You claim if people would simply try talking French that maybe their experince would be better but you seem to be confusing living in a country with visiting as a tourist. We value and fight for English as first language not because of the visitors but because of those who live here and benefit from what this country has to offer and on top of that tehy want it in Spanish or Hatian or Portugues when they should be learning English if they plan on staying here and becoming citizens or at least benefiting from their stay. But to visit any country and be trated like crap just because I don't speak their language? And the people ask me why I would never go outside the US. I don't mind learning a few words in another language but to learn a new language just to visit another country? If you don't l;ike it then maybe you should post signs saying "outsiders not allowed" or "if you don't speak our language you won't be greeted well here".

on Apr 23, 2010

Oucb. my last post kinda went out of hand. Oh well. I guess it's the kind of thing I'd like people to understand a little more about my land. So if you ever visit Quebec, you'll have a much pleasant stay.

Don't worry, if people wrote little or nothing at all this place would be boring.

on Apr 23, 2010

But that's the thing. Things happening in the USA are affecting Canada in a way that things happening in the Canada doesn't affect the USA. When you sneeze, we catch a cold. (well, less so recently, as we are the #1 country that got out of the recession! ). But still, we are incredibly influenced by many decisions taken in the USA

So if we fart you can smell it? Dam, that must suck.

on Apr 23, 2010

We value and fight for English as first language not because of the visitors but because of those who live here and benefit from what this country has to offer and on top of that tehy want it in Spanish or Hatian or Portugues when they should be learning English if they plan on staying here and becoming citizens or at least benefiting from their stay.

But that is the very crux of our problem. People don't.

People come living in Quebec and they learn english. Which means our numbers are slowly dwindling away. Immigrants make their kids learn english, and ours will be a dead language in 200 years at that speed. When we create laws that would force immigrants to learn french, we are treated as extremist for wanting to defend our language.

I agree that bad-rapping a tourist because he speaks english isn't the best idea in the world. However, how should we treat people who lived all their life in Quebec without bothering learning french? At the very least, mexican immigrants are sometimes trying to learn english, up to a point. They don't dismiss your language as a minority, "optional" language.

Also, trust me about this: you don't have to KNOW french to be well treated. Just show that you respect that this is a French land, and that you are friendly ennough to TRY. Know the basics: Bonjour, Merci, s'il vous plait. Try to read your order in french. You'll have a nice smile, and a nice quebec-accented english as a reward.

on Apr 23, 2010

Everytime you agree with an issue that goes against the Constitution (which you tend to do) is ignoring what this country was built on.

But I don't disagree with that element of your constitution. I disagree about the fact to keep insisting while more than ennough documentation has already been provided.

on Apr 23, 2010

Interesting, so this issue you defend with "isn't what the public wants" yet time and again it has proven the public did not want this recent Healthcare bill and you were in favor of it. Kinda funny how you change your mind about a situation when it suits you.

I wasn't really in favor of THAT healthcare reform. I was in favor of ANY healthcare reform, anything that would get you out of the status quo that has plagued your political climate for the past 20 years, and at least getting the debate go forward.

Problem was, it seems the democrats were the only one who had the balls to try anything. Bush didn't seemed to want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole, even when he had his majority in Congress.

on Apr 23, 2010

That's a very strange opinion considering most of your opinions tend to want to change this country in a way it will go against what this country was built on.

No. It goes against what YOU FEEL this country was built on. But this country was built around a lot of things that many people seems to have forgot, or have twisted, to fit reality. Liberals from San Fransisco as just as "American" as Conservatives from Dallas (did I picked a good conservative city?). they shaped this country as much as you did. And they will keep doing it.

Calling these people un-american is.. questionnable at the causality level

on Apr 26, 2010

If you merely try a little french, people over here will be more than happy to switch to english and thank you for your good manners. Because in our land, showing respect to our language is good manner.

Interesting statement.  I wonder how that sits with the race baiters below the parallel?  In most US cities today, there is at least an enclave of Hispanic people that do not speak english.  And yes, there is some prejudice against them for that fact.  But for the most part, people do not care.  And if you have to interact with them, you can try English, but you get farther by knowing some Spanish.

Quebec is very French in that respect.  Very Xenophobic and protectionist against assimilation.  Louisiana still has a lot of French Flavor (and that is where John Lives and my Ancestors are from), but the American experiment seems to have just adopted them as part of its culture. and not erased it in the American culture.

on Apr 26, 2010

But for the most part, people do not care. And if you have to interact with them, you can try English, but you get farther by knowing some Spanish.

But there is a difference of strenght at work. Compare the Latino population in north america to the english-speaking majority.

And now, compare the french-speaking population to the english-speaking majority

I think we can assume that our situation is a tad more desperate, and we have been aware of this for years. It led to our national sentiment regarding this as a feeling of loosing a trench cultural war. So it makes us touchy on the topic.

Maybe the touchiness is not actually a good behavior. But I guess what really annoys us is the English-Canadian complete lack of understanding of our position, and the rationals behind it. Ergo, we always come-off as jerk xenophones. And they come off to us as oppressive cultural conquerors.

An example I really, ALWAYS find funny: When an american, a british and a south-afrikaneer were talking with me in Dubai. We got talking about WW2, and eventually, somebody said: "Well, if X didn't happened, we'd all be speaking german right now!"

My reply was: "Yhea, so? I'm speaking english right now".

Only one of them actually got my point.

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